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For me it stays present, just not always front and center. The ear can follow a displaced phrase and still keep the outline in the background…
I agree with the main point, but I would not dismiss counting entirely. For a newcomer it can keep the structure from dissolving into mist, and then the ear can start listening for the larger shapes. I think the best listeners move back and forth between the two, depending on the performance.
Maybe so, but the timetable still has a destination. If the listener never hears the arrival, the count stays empty.
I have had that with sewing too, honestly. You work the first inches carefully and then…
I think the playful point is real, though. If the groove stops doing work, it turns into costume. The best performances make the listener feel the weight of the return without having to stare at each beat as if it were a clock face.
I mostly hear the larger return now, though I learned by counting when I was younger and had the patience for it. In khayal especially, I think the best players make the cycle feel remembered rather than measured. A metronome can be useful for practice, but it cannot tell you where the music wants to lean. Sometimes I lose the count and find it again at sam, which feels less like arithmetic and more like coming home.
That sounds sensible. Marking the bigger turns is often easier than trying to count every little…
Yes, but only if the listener uses it lightly. The count helps at first then you have to let the phrase breathe.
I like the way you put that. The cycle is not just counting, it is more like a shared habit the players keep returning to. That little difference matters when the singer is stretching a line and the tabla has to remember the home place.
that’s the truth of it. if the form is worse than the problem, somebody is getting paid too much
that’s a good line, software as a locksmith who never met the door. and a lot of us keep paying him anyway
The interface part is the sticky one, and the book knew that. But the political monopoly…
ha, i bet you have. still, the forms usually lose
It does. And then nobody remembers the old way because the new way was louder.
Exactly, and then everybody calls it convenience. Funny how that works.
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