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    • #5136
      Garden In Order
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        Question or objective: extend thick texture through at least six infusions
        Tea category: ripe puer
        Exact product: Old Brick Courtyard 2022 shou
        Vendor: Cloudstep Tea
        Origin: Menghai, Yunnan
        Cultivar, if known: large-leaf assamica
        Harvest season/year: 2021 material / pressed 2022
        Processing or roast: wo dui fermented, compressed cake
        Cake/batch number, if relevant: cake/lot noted above where applicable; otherwise N/A
        Purchase/opening date: purchased 2026-06-07; opened 2026-07-04
        Storage since purchase: breathable paper inside a stable tea cabinet unless otherwise noted
        Style: gongfu
        Vessel: gaiwan
        Vessel material: porcelain
        Nominal and actual filled capacity: 110 ml nominal / 100 ml filled
        Filter or strainer: gaiwan lid
        Kettle: standard electric kettle + thermometer
        Vessel preheated: yes
        Dry leaf weight: 7.0 g
        Water volume: 100 ml
        Water temperature: 99°C
        Water source or mineral profile: filtered tap water, Portland; about 70 ppm
        Rinse: 5-10 s where noted by the recipe; otherwise none
        Infusion schedule: 10 s rinse, 12 s, 15 s, 20 s, 30 s
        Agitation: gentle shake after rinse only
        Was each infusion completely decanted?: yes
        Aroma: wood, cocoa
        Sweetness: medium
        Bitterness: none
        Astringency: low
        Body/texture: full then suddenly thin
        Flavour: cocoa, old wood, date
        Aftertaste: short after infusion three
        Number of satisfying infusions: 4
        Exact problem: tea loses body abruptly after the third infusion
        Desired result: extend thick texture through at least six infusions
        Variable changed: leaf quantity
        Previous value: 6 g
        New value: 7 g
        Result: first two steeps got heavier but the drop-off still happened
        Dry-leaf photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Liquor photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Wet-leaf photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Video if pouring or drainage is relevant: pour/drainage video described in the post; not embedded in this archive

        I have reached the stage where changing three things at once is only producing new kinds of confusion. The cup is giving me tea loses body abruptly after the third infusion. The last controlled change was leaf quantity: 6 g to 7 g, and first two steeps got heavier but the drop-off still happened. I would like the next test to be one variable only. If you have brewed this exact tea, or something genuinely comparable in a similar vessel, that would be especially useful.

        My target is simple: extend thick texture through at least six infusions. I am not looking for a new shopping list unless the equipment is actually the problem.

      • #5137
        Garden In Order
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          Tested solution
          Direct recommendation: add a 20-second rest after the rinse before the first infusion.
          Applies to: Old Brick Courtyard 2022 shou / ripe puer in a setup close to gaiwan.
          Evidence: firsthand test by the questioner on Old Brick Courtyard 2022 shou.
          Change: add a 20-second rest after the rinse before the first infusion.
          Expected effect: more even extraction and a slower falloff.
          Observed result: first two steeps got heavier but the drop-off still happened.
          Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
          Commercial relationship: none.

          • #5139
            Quiet Stacks
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              Comparable tea
              Direct recommendation: extend infusion three rather than increasing leaf.
              Applies to: Old Brick Courtyard 2022 shou / ripe puer in a setup close to gaiwan.
              Evidence: firsthand use of a comparable ripe puer with similar parameters.
              Change: extend infusion three rather than increasing leaf.
              Expected effect: better body in the middle infusions without an over-heavy first cup.
              Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
              Limitations: Water chemistry may change the result, so I would not generalize this to every city.
              Commercial relationship: none.

              • #5145
                Masala Soil
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                  Professional experience
                  Direct recommendation: extend infusion three rather than increasing leaf.
                  Applies to: Old Brick Courtyard 2022 shou / ripe puer in a setup close to gaiwan.
                  Evidence: general brewing principle consistent with repeated tests; not this exact batch.
                  Change: extend infusion three rather than increasing leaf.
                  Expected effect: better body in the middle infusions without an over-heavy first cup.
                  Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                  Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                  Commercial relationship: none.

            • #5138
              Masala Soil
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                Same tea/batch
                Direct recommendation: break the chunk apart more before brewing.
                Applies to: Old Brick Courtyard 2022 shou / ripe puer in a setup close to gaiwan.
                Evidence: firsthand use of the same Old Brick Courtyard 2022 shou in a closely matched setup.
                Change: break the chunk apart more before brewing.
                Expected effect: more consistent body across infusions.
                Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                Commercial relationship: none.

                • #5141
                  Quiet Stacks
                  Participant

                    Comparable tea
                    Direct recommendation: break the chunk apart more before brewing.
                    Applies to: Old Brick Courtyard 2022 shou / ripe puer in a setup close to gaiwan.
                    Evidence: firsthand experience with ripe puer in a different vessel.
                    Change: break the chunk apart more before brewing.
                    Expected effect: more consistent body across infusions.
                    Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                    Limitations: This may not transfer to a heavier roast or a very different vessel size.
                    Commercial relationship: none.

                • #5140
                  Masala Soil
                  Participant

                    Controlled test
                    Direct recommendation: add a 20-second rest after the rinse before the first infusion.
                    Applies to: Old Brick Courtyard 2022 shou / ripe puer in a setup close to gaiwan.
                    Evidence: side-by-side or repeated one-variable test.
                    Change: add a 20-second rest after the rinse before the first infusion.
                    Expected effect: more even extraction and a slower falloff.
                    Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                    Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                    Commercial relationship: none.

                    • #5142
                      Garden In Order
                      Participant

                        Professional experience
                        Direct recommendation: extend infusion three rather than increasing leaf.
                        Applies to: Old Brick Courtyard 2022 shou / ripe puer in a setup close to gaiwan.
                        Evidence: general brewing principle consistent with repeated tests; not this exact batch.
                        Change: extend infusion three rather than increasing leaf.
                        Expected effect: better body in the middle infusions without an over-heavy first cup.
                        Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                        Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                        Commercial relationship: none.

                        • #5143
                          Quiet Stacks
                          Participant

                            Inference
                            Direct recommendation: add a 20-second rest after the rinse before the first infusion.
                            Applies to: Old Brick Courtyard 2022 shou / ripe puer in a setup close to gaiwan.
                            Evidence: inference from the posted parameters, not a test of this exact tea.
                            Change: add a 20-second rest after the rinse before the first infusion.
                            Expected effect: more even extraction and a slower falloff.
                            Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                            Limitations: This may not transfer to a heavier roast or a very different vessel size.
                            Commercial relationship: none.

                      • #5144
                        Garden In Order
                        Participant

                          Controlled test
                          Direct recommendation: break the chunk apart more before brewing.
                          Applies to: Old Brick Courtyard 2022 shou / ripe puer in a setup close to gaiwan.
                          Evidence: side-by-side or repeated one-variable test.
                          Change: break the chunk apart more before brewing.
                          Expected effect: more consistent body across infusions.
                          Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                          Limitations: This may not transfer to a heavier roast or a very different vessel size.
                          Commercial relationship: none.

                        • #5146
                          Garden In Order
                          Participant

                            Controlled test
                            Direct recommendation: add a 20-second rest after the rinse before the first infusion.
                            Applies to: Old Brick Courtyard 2022 shou / ripe puer in a setup close to gaiwan.
                            Evidence: side-by-side or repeated one-variable test.
                            Change: add a 20-second rest after the rinse before the first infusion.
                            Expected effect: more even extraction and a slower falloff.
                            Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                            Limitations: This may not transfer to a heavier roast or a very different vessel size.
                            Commercial relationship: none.

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