The sencha is still bitter at 70°C and I’m running out of things to blame

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    • #5120
      Garden In Order
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        Question or objective: more sweetness and less bitter edge
        Tea category: Japanese green tea
        Exact product: Spring Needle 2025 sencha
        Vendor: North Window Tea
        Origin: Shizuoka, Japan
        Cultivar, if known: Yabukita
        Harvest season/year: spring 2025
        Processing or roast: light-steamed sencha
        Cake/batch number, if relevant: cake/lot noted above where applicable; otherwise N/A
        Purchase/opening date: purchased 2026-06-10; opened 2026-07-03
        Storage since purchase: refrigerated sealed pouch; portion warmed before opening
        Style: gongfu-ish kyusu
        Vessel: Tokoname kyusu
        Vessel material: unglazed clay
        Nominal and actual filled capacity: 180 ml nominal / 150 ml filled
        Filter or strainer: ceramic sasame
        Kettle: standard electric kettle + thermometer
        Vessel preheated: no
        Dry leaf weight: 5.0 g
        Water volume: 150 ml
        Water temperature: 70°C
        Water source or mineral profile: filtered tap water, London; moderately hard
        Rinse: 5-10 s where noted by the recipe; otherwise none
        Infusion schedule: 60 s, then 20 s, 35 s
        Agitation: one gentle swirl before first pour
        Was each infusion completely decanted?: yes
        Aroma: fresh grass and nori
        Sweetness: low
        Bitterness: high
        Astringency: medium
        Body/texture: medium-light
        Flavour: spinach, citrus peel
        Aftertaste: dry and sharp
        Number of satisfying infusions: 3
        Exact problem: bitterness dominates before sweetness appears
        Desired result: more sweetness and less bitter edge
        Variable changed: temperature
        Previous value: 75°C
        New value: 70°C
        Result: bitterness dropped slightly but the cup is still harsh
        Dry-leaf photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Liquor photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Wet-leaf photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Video if pouring or drainage is relevant: not relevant

        I have reached the stage where changing three things at once is only producing new kinds of confusion. The cup is giving me bitterness dominates before sweetness appears. The last controlled change was temperature: 75°C to 70°C, and bitterness dropped slightly but the cup is still harsh. I would like the next test to be one variable only. If you have brewed this exact tea, or something genuinely comparable in a similar vessel, that would be especially useful.

        My target is simple: more sweetness and less bitter edge. I am not looking for a new shopping list unless the equipment is actually the problem.

      • #5121
        Garden In Order
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          Tested solution
          Direct recommendation: shorten first infusion to 40 seconds.
          Applies to: Spring Needle 2025 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to Tokoname kyusu.
          Evidence: firsthand test by the questioner on Spring Needle 2025 sencha.
          Change: shorten first infusion to 40 seconds.
          Expected effect: less bitterness while preserving aroma.
          Observed result: bitterness dropped slightly but the cup is still harsh.
          Limitations: This may not transfer to a heavier roast or a very different vessel size.
          Commercial relationship: none.

        • #5122
          Crowd Wok
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            Same tea/batch
            Direct recommendation: reduce leaf to 4.5 g.
            Applies to: Spring Needle 2025 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to Tokoname kyusu.
            Evidence: firsthand use of the same Spring Needle 2025 sencha in a closely matched setup.
            Change: reduce leaf to 4.5 g.
            Expected effect: slightly lighter body with more room for sweetness.
            Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
            Limitations: This may not transfer to a heavier roast or a very different vessel size.
            Commercial relationship: none.

            • #5124
              Garden In Order
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                Controlled test
                Direct recommendation: shorten first infusion to 40 seconds.
                Applies to: Spring Needle 2025 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to Tokoname kyusu.
                Evidence: side-by-side or repeated one-variable test.
                Change: shorten first infusion to 40 seconds.
                Expected effect: less bitterness while preserving aroma.
                Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                Commercial relationship: none.

                • #5128
                  Ringside And Rescue
                  Participant

                    Same tea/batch
                    Direct recommendation: reduce leaf to 4.5 g.
                    Applies to: Spring Needle 2025 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to Tokoname kyusu.
                    Evidence: firsthand use of the same Spring Needle 2025 sencha in a closely matched setup.
                    Change: reduce leaf to 4.5 g.
                    Expected effect: slightly lighter body with more room for sweetness.
                    Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                    Limitations: Water chemistry may change the result, so I would not generalize this to every city.
                    Commercial relationship: none.

              • #5123
                Ringside And Rescue
                Participant

                  Comparable tea
                  Direct recommendation: try softer water.
                  Applies to: Spring Needle 2025 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to Tokoname kyusu.
                  Evidence: firsthand use of a comparable Japanese green tea with similar parameters.
                  Change: try softer water.
                  Expected effect: cleaner sweetness and more distinct umami.
                  Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                  Limitations: Water chemistry may change the result, so I would not generalize this to every city.
                  Commercial relationship: none.

                • #5125
                  Ringside And Rescue
                  Participant

                    Comparable tea
                    Direct recommendation: reduce leaf to 4.5 g.
                    Applies to: Spring Needle 2025 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to Tokoname kyusu.
                    Evidence: firsthand experience with Japanese green tea in a different vessel.
                    Change: reduce leaf to 4.5 g.
                    Expected effect: slightly lighter body with more room for sweetness.
                    Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                    Limitations: If your actual filled volume differs from the stated volume, the ratio may be the bigger issue.
                    Commercial relationship: none.

                  • #5126
                    Garden In Order
                    Participant

                      Professional experience
                      Direct recommendation: try softer water.
                      Applies to: Spring Needle 2025 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to Tokoname kyusu.
                      Evidence: general brewing principle consistent with repeated tests; not this exact batch.
                      Change: try softer water.
                      Expected effect: cleaner sweetness and more distinct umami.
                      Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                      Limitations: If your actual filled volume differs from the stated volume, the ratio may be the bigger issue.
                      Commercial relationship: none.

                    • #5127
                      Crowd Wok
                      Participant

                        Inference
                        Direct recommendation: shorten first infusion to 40 seconds.
                        Applies to: Spring Needle 2025 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to Tokoname kyusu.
                        Evidence: inference from the posted parameters, not a test of this exact tea.
                        Change: shorten first infusion to 40 seconds.
                        Expected effect: less bitterness while preserving aroma.
                        Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                        Limitations: If your actual filled volume differs from the stated volume, the ratio may be the bigger issue.
                        Commercial relationship: none.

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