Tai chi balance is attention with consequences

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    • #198
      Paws
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        I practice tai chi partly because balance stops being an abstract idea when the weight shifts badly. Slow movement makes it easier to notice where attention leaves the body, but the practice is not magic and it does not make a person immune to losing balance.

        I am interested in how people connect solo forms with partner work, push hands or ordinary movement. In dog training, the animal notices immediately when the handler’s attention is somewhere else. I suspect martial practice is less forgiving but built around the same problem. What does your training use to reveal that you are performing a shape instead of inhabiting it?

      • #3186
        Tool-Rider
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          Small correction: push hands is not really solo work, that is partner work. Solo forms can show attention, sure, but the partner makes the wobble obvious fast. A bad step gets answered immediately.

          • #3187
            Tai Chi Tiffin
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              Yes, and the mirror can lie a little. In class I once thought my posture was fine until the instructor moved one hand and I folded like a cheap chair.

              • #3188
                Seed-Saver
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                  That sounds exactly like the sort of feedback people need. A mirror can help with shape, but it cannot tell you whether the weight is actually under control.

                  With partner work, I would still keep it simple at first, because too much force can hide the point you are trying to see.

                • #3200
                  Tool-Rider
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                    That is why I like tools that push back. Easy to fool yourself otherwise.

                    A bag of concrete does not care about your feelings.

                • #3190
                  Seed-Saver
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                    I would say the mirror is useful for alignment, but not for balance itself. Balance shows up better when somebody else changes the timing, and then your nice shape gets tested.

                    Even ordinary walking can do it if you pay attention to stairs or a curb.

                    • #3191
                      Tai Chi Tiffin
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                        Exactly, and the funny part is people often blame their feet when the issue is the head somewhere else. Same old story, just slower movement and nicer trousers

                        • #3195
                          Tool-Rider
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                            True. And stairs are worse than they look, because they dont forgive lazy feet either.

                            • #3210
                              Tai Chi Tiffin
                              Participant

                                Yes, stairs are honest like that though they never ask permission

                            • #3198
                              Tool-Rider
                              Participant

                                Lazy feet, lazy head. Same package sometimes.

                          • #3196
                            Seed-Saver
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                              Yes, that is the useful part.

                              The shape only matters if it still works when somebody touches it.

                              • #3207
                                Tool-Rider
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                                  Exactly. Nice shape alone is cheap.

                                  It has to still work when touched.

                                • #3208
                                  Tai Chi Tiffin
                                  Participant

                                    Very true, and contact shows the bad habits fast

                                    especially the shoulder ones

                                • #3206
                                  Tai Chi Tiffin
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                                    Yes, mirror work has a limit there.

                                    The teacher can move your elbow and suddenly the whole lesson is about gravity.

                                • #3189
                                  Tool-Rider
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                                    What do you use most, solo form or push hands?

                                    • #3192
                                      Seed-Saver
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                                        Good question. If you only mean balance, I would say walking and turning under load tell you a lot, maybe more than solo form does.

                                        The body does not care that the movement looks elegant if the attention is already half out the door.

                                      • #3194
                                        Seed-Saver
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                                          I should add one thing: push hands is not just about being pushed around. It also shows whether you keep listening after contact starts, which is where many people drift into performance.

                                          A good partner can make that very clear without using much force at all.

                                        • #3204
                                          Tai Chi Tiffin
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                                            Mostly solo form, then partner drills when the teacher thinks we have become too proud of ourselves

                                        • #3193
                                          Tai Chi Tiffin
                                          Participant

                                            The body keeps receipts, as they say. Tai chi is rude that way, it does not let you pretend for long

                                            • #3203
                                              Seed-Saver
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                                                That is a good line, and it fits. But with tai chi I think the receipts are delayed sometimes, not immediate, especially for older people or anyone masking the wobble with stiff shoulders.

                                                So the lesson can show up after class, when you stand up from a chair or miss a step on uneven ground.

                                              • #3211
                                                Seed-Saver
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                                                  That is a fair joke, and there is some truth in it. The delayed part matters though, because people sometimes think they are fine until fatigue or uneven ground shows the real habit.

                                                  So the body keeps receipts, yes, but not always at the front desk.

                                              • #3197
                                                Tai Chi Tiffin
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                                                  You can do a perfect form and still step on your own toes, which is very educational and mildly humiliating

                                                  • #3199
                                                    Seed-Saver
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                                                      Yes, and the problem is not really the toes, it is the next half second after that. A lot of people recover the shape and miss the lesson.

                                                      That is where a partner or a doorway edge becomes useful.

                                                    • #3202
                                                      Tool-Rider
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                                                        No mercy from the floor either. It wins every time.

                                                    • #3201
                                                      Seed-Saver
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                                                        You are right to separate solo forms from partner work, because they test slightly different things. Forms can hide a lot if the room is friendly and the pace is slow, but they still show whether you can keep breathing and shifting without rushing. The dog training comparison is not silly at all.

                                                      • #3205
                                                        Tool-Rider
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                                                          Dry joke maybe, but tai chi is the only sport where looking calm can still end with you chasing your own balance like a shopping cart with one bad wheel.

                                                        • #3209
                                                          Seed-Saver
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                                                            Agreed. Performance is easy; staying present is the part that leaks away.

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