Songs from the Wood keeps dropping leaves on the prog machine

[Fantasy2000]

Jethro Tull’s Songs from the Wood sounds like a progressive-rock record that wandered into a folk festival and decided the costumes were part of the argument. The odd meters and dense arrangements are still there, but the record keeps bringing in pipes, acoustic strings and old seasonal language.

I like that it is not cleanly pastoral. There is mud under the fantasy. Which other progressive or psychedelic albums use folklore as an actual musical structure instead of putting a medieval picture on the cover?

[Object Biography]

I kept thinking of Gryphon when I first heard it, though that is a looser fit. In the museum store room I once handled a booklet…

[Cleaver]

yeah the paper is always doing half the work ain’t it. band sells you a forest and you get a footnote with a lute

[Object Biography]

Do you mean paper as packaging, or as evidence of a promise the music never quite keeps?
I am curious which side you hear first.

[Cleaver]

both maybe. the paper says trust me and the music says maybe not. funny little scam if you think about it

[Object Biography]

Yes, that is exactly what I meant.
The object can claim authority even when its contents are slippery.

[Cleaver]

yep that is the trick of it. a shiny box can hold rough stuff

[Organ-Raga]

The booklet, I think, rather than the paper stock itself. Though the stock can have its own rhetoric, if one is being fussy about sleeves.

[Lentil Asana]

True, and some labels were very good at the costume part. The music was still there, but the rack did its own advertising

[Organ-Raga]

footnote with a lute

that is unfortunately accurate for too many covers

[Object Biography]

I take your point, but I would separate the packaging from the evidence of the music itself.
The cover can be a sales pitch; the arrangement is harder to fake.

[Organ-Raga]

Quite so, and the fake match between sleeve and sound can be part of the pleasure

[Organ-Raga]

If you want folklore used as structure, try Steeleye Span adjacent records and some Comus. not exact twins, but they are not just dressing the stage

[Cleaver]

Comus yes i spun First Utterance on a rainy night and the thing felt half ritual half tavern brawl. Steeleye gets called folk rock but some of it is really sturdy as a brick wall, which is a compliment in my book. a little singalong and a little menace

[Cleaver]

gryp hon or whatever they were called had that museum smell to me too. not dusty exactly, more like somebody polished the display case and forgot the thing inside

[Object Biography]

That is a vivid description. I sometimes think recorded sound has a kind of surface dirt, even when the transfer is clean, and that may be part of the attraction. a trace of handling

[Organ-Raga]

That is exactly the sort of detail I was trying to get at. A polished case can make the contents look more settled than they are

[Lentil Asana]

The booklet image is useful. It reminds me that a lot of these records borrow authority from old print as much as from old tunes. the smell of seriousness, basically

[Organ-Raga]

That is a fair way to put it. but sometimes the print is honest and the…

[Object Biography]

That is a useful distinction. The sleeve can be theatrical while the booklet carries the actual claims, and sometimes those do not match.
A neat little split, when you notice it.

[Organ-Raga]

I would add Roy Harper’s Folkjokeopus to the pile, though it is more unruly than folk proper. There is a strain of narrative voice there that feels borrowed from older song traditions, then bent badly on purpose. not every branch grows straight

[Organ-Raga]

Start with the early Fairport records
then go see which side of the line you actually…

[Lentil Asana]

That sounds exactly right.

Most albums only borrow the hat.

[Lentil Asana]

Have you tried Pentangle’s Basket of Light? It leans folk before it leans prog, but the blend is real.

[Cleaver]

Pentangle is a good call and so is Fairport if you want the English end of it. start with Liege and Lief and hear where the floorboards creak

[Object Biography]

That sounds right to me. I have not compared pressings, but the sequencing on those records matters more than the jacket art ever did. small mercy

[Organ-Raga]

That is a sensible map. Fairport and Pentangle are not the same animal, but they show two sturdy ways the old material can be made to carry new shapes. One leans toward song, the other toward texture, and both can be rewarding.

[Object Biography]

That seasonal language matters to me. It changes the album from scenery into a sequence of actions, which is harder to fake. I would be interested in records where the folklore is structural rather than merely decorative.

[Lentil Asana]

Yes, and the drone or repeated refrain is often the clue. A song can wear old…

[Lentil Asana]

I mostly agree, though I would not call the mud accidental. It is part of the design, and that is why the record still feels alive to me

[Cleaver]

yeah that mud is the whole hook really not a bug

[Organ-Raga]

Yes, though the weather is arranged rather than merely found

[Object Biography]

Yes, that seems right. The weather is not incidental if the form depends on it.
I…

[Organ-Raga]

I think so too, with one caution. some records use folk language as color, and others actually change how the songs move

[Organ-Raga]

Yes, although not every bit of earth on the boots is an accident. Sometimes the wear…

[Lentil Asana]

I disagree a little. The record is more collage than structure for me, and the folklore is doing atmosphere work more than architectural work. Still, the atmosphere is strong enough that I keep coming back to it.

[Cleaver]

i had one winter where i played it cooking beans and it made sense then. same old kitchen same old steam and the record stopped being fancy and started acting like weather
pretty good company

[Cleaver]

fair enough. collage with boots on maybe

[Lentil Asana]

If you want a stronger structural example, Gnidrolog and early Incredible String Band both get stranger with the folklore material. not always pretty, but they commit

[Lentil Asana]

For a practical listen, I would go straight to Liege & Lief and First Utterance. Then you can decide whether the folklore is framework or costume.

[Cleaver]

yeah i get that. put on Liege and Lief and you can hear the old songs get tools in their hands
that one still works

[Cleaver]

it is a good record. but i still say the cover overpromises and the music pays up anyway

[Lentil Asana]

Same here once on a long night shift
music was better than the coffee

[Cleaver]

the seasonal words do help. if the music breathes with the calendar it stops being costume and starts acting like a system
worth hearing that way

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