Short steeps, long face: this dancong is still astringent

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    • #5129
      Absurd-Adjuster
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        Question or objective: keep aroma but reduce drying finish
        Tea category: Phoenix dancong oolong
        Exact product: Honey Orchid Ridge 2025 Mi Lan Xiang
        Vendor: River Gate Tea
        Origin: Phoenix Mountain, Guangdong
        Cultivar, if known: Mi Lan Xiang
        Harvest season/year: spring 2025
        Processing or roast: medium roast, traditional oxidation
        Cake/batch number, if relevant: cake/lot noted above where applicable; otherwise N/A
        Purchase/opening date: purchased 2026-06-09; opened 2026-07-04
        Storage since purchase: sealed original pouch inside a dark cupboard
        Style: gongfu
        Vessel: porcelain gaiwan
        Vessel material: porcelain
        Nominal and actual filled capacity: 100 ml nominal / 90 ml filled
        Filter or strainer: lid gap only
        Kettle: stovetop kettle + thermometer
        Vessel preheated: yes
        Dry leaf weight: 7.0 g
        Water volume: 90 ml
        Water temperature: 90°C
        Water source or mineral profile: low-mineral bottled water, 55 ppm TDS
        Rinse: 5-10 s where noted by the recipe; otherwise none
        Infusion schedule: 8 s, 8 s, 10 s, 15 s, 20 s
        Agitation: none
        Was each infusion completely decanted?: yes
        Aroma: orchid and honey
        Sweetness: medium
        Bitterness: low-medium
        Astringency: high
        Body/texture: medium
        Flavour: lychee skin, flowers, roast
        Aftertaste: long but drying
        Number of satisfying infusions: 6
        Exact problem: mouth-drying astringency remains even with very short steeps
        Desired result: keep aroma but reduce drying finish
        Variable changed: temperature
        Previous value: 95°C
        New value: 90°C
        Result: slightly softer but not enough
        Dry-leaf photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Liquor photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Wet-leaf photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Video if pouring or drainage is relevant: pour/drainage video described in the post; not embedded in this archive

        I have reached the stage where changing three things at once is only producing new kinds of confusion. The cup is giving me mouth-drying astringency remains even with very short steeps. The last controlled change was temperature: 95°C to 90°C, and slightly softer but not enough. I would like the next test to be one variable only. If you have brewed this exact tea, or something genuinely comparable in a similar vessel, that would be especially useful.

        My target is simple: keep aroma but reduce drying finish. I am not looking for a new shopping list unless the equipment is actually the problem.

      • #5130
        Absurd-Adjuster
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          Tested solution
          Direct recommendation: drop leaf to 6 g.
          Applies to: Honey Orchid Ridge 2025 Mi Lan Xiang / Phoenix dancong oolong in a setup close to porcelain gaiwan.
          Evidence: firsthand test by the questioner on Honey Orchid Ridge 2025 Mi Lan Xiang.
          Change: drop leaf to 6 g.
          Expected effect: less drying astringency with slightly lighter body.
          Observed result: slightly softer but not enough.
          Limitations: I would stop if the change removes the aroma you are trying to preserve.
          Commercial relationship: none.

        • #5131
          Fermenter
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            Same tea/batch
            Direct recommendation: use 85°C water for the first three infusions.
            Applies to: Honey Orchid Ridge 2025 Mi Lan Xiang / Phoenix dancong oolong in a setup close to porcelain gaiwan.
            Evidence: firsthand use of the same Honey Orchid Ridge 2025 Mi Lan Xiang in a closely matched setup.
            Change: use 85°C water for the first three infusions.
            Expected effect: softer finish with some aroma loss.
            Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
            Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
            Commercial relationship: none.

          • #5132
            Lentil-Seamstress
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              Comparable tea
              Direct recommendation: skip agitation entirely and pour immediately after filling.
              Applies to: Honey Orchid Ridge 2025 Mi Lan Xiang / Phoenix dancong oolong in a setup close to porcelain gaiwan.
              Evidence: firsthand use of a comparable Phoenix dancong oolong with similar parameters.
              Change: skip agitation entirely and pour immediately after filling.
              Expected effect: cleaner early steeps and reduced grip.
              Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
              Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
              Commercial relationship: none.

            • #5133
              Wok-Dough
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                Controlled test
                Direct recommendation: drop leaf to 6 g.
                Applies to: Honey Orchid Ridge 2025 Mi Lan Xiang / Phoenix dancong oolong in a setup close to porcelain gaiwan.
                Evidence: side-by-side or repeated one-variable test.
                Change: drop leaf to 6 g.
                Expected effect: less drying astringency with slightly lighter body.
                Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                Limitations: I would stop if the change removes the aroma you are trying to preserve.
                Commercial relationship: none.

              • #5134
                Civic Fish Stories
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                  Comparable tea
                  Direct recommendation: use 85°C water for the first three infusions.
                  Applies to: Honey Orchid Ridge 2025 Mi Lan Xiang / Phoenix dancong oolong in a setup close to porcelain gaiwan.
                  Evidence: firsthand experience with Phoenix dancong oolong in a different vessel.
                  Change: use 85°C water for the first three infusions.
                  Expected effect: softer finish with some aroma loss.
                  Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                  Limitations: Water chemistry may change the result, so I would not generalize this to every city.
                  Commercial relationship: none.

                • #5135
                  Lentil-Seamstress
                  Participant

                    Professional experience
                    Direct recommendation: skip agitation entirely and pour immediately after filling.
                    Applies to: Honey Orchid Ridge 2025 Mi Lan Xiang / Phoenix dancong oolong in a setup close to porcelain gaiwan.
                    Evidence: general brewing principle consistent with repeated tests; not this exact batch.
                    Change: skip agitation entirely and pour immediately after filling.
                    Expected effect: cleaner early steeps and reduced grip.
                    Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                    Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                    Commercial relationship: none.

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