Same cultivar, three mountains, surprisingly little agreement

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    • #5330
      Artifacts
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        Question or objective: separate region differences from brewing differences
        Tea category: Taiwan oolong comparison
        Exact product: Qingxin trio: Alishan / Shanlinxi / Lishan 2026
        Vendor: Pale Crane Tea
        Origin: three Taiwanese high-mountain regions
        Cultivar, if known: Qingxin
        Harvest season/year: spring 2026
        Processing or roast: matched light oxidation lots
        Cake/batch number, if relevant: cake/lot noted above where applicable; otherwise N/A
        Purchase/opening date: purchased 2026-07-10; opened 2026-08-06
        Storage since purchase: sealed original pouch inside a dark cupboard
        Style: gongfu side-by-side
        Vessel: three identical 90 ml cupping gaiwans
        Vessel material: porcelain
        Nominal and actual filled capacity: 90 ml filled each
        Filter or strainer: lid gap
        Kettle: standard electric kettle + thermometer
        Vessel preheated: yes
        Dry leaf weight: 5.0 g each
        Water volume: 80 ml each
        Water temperature: 94°C
        Water source or mineral profile: same remineralized RO, 50 ppm
        Rinse: 5-10 s where noted by the recipe; otherwise none
        Infusion schedule: 25/25/35 s
        Agitation: none
        Was each infusion completely decanted?: yes
        Aroma: Alishan creamy; Shanlinxi floral; Lishan high and cooling
        Sweetness: high all
        Bitterness: none
        Astringency: low
        Body/texture: medium to creamy
        Flavour: cream / orchid / alpine green
        Aftertaste: longest in Lishan lot
        Number of satisfying infusions: 5 each
        Exact problem: same-cultivar regional comparison under matched conditions
        Desired result: separate region differences from brewing differences
        Variable changed: origin
        Previous value: Alishan
        New value: Shanlinxi and Lishan
        Result: differences repeated over three sessions
        Dry-leaf photograph: not attached yet
        Liquor photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Wet-leaf photograph: not attached yet
        Video if pouring or drainage is relevant: not relevant

        This is not a first-impression post. I have enough sessions with this tea now to know which notes survived the excitement of opening the bag. The most useful controlled change was origin: Alishan versus Shanlinxi and Lishan. differences repeated over three sessions.

        I am mostly interested in comparable reports: same harvest or style, similar water, and more than one session. If your experience is from a very different setup, please say so.

      • #5331
        Peter Masala
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          Long-term report
          Direct recommendation: repeat the session with Shanlinxi and Lishan.
          Applies to: Qingxin trio: Alishan / Shanlinxi / Lishan 2026 / Taiwan oolong comparison in a setup close to three identical 90 ml cupping gaiwans.
          Evidence: repeated sessions over time.
          Change: repeat the session with Shanlinxi and Lishan.
          Expected effect: the cup should move toward separate region differences from brewing differences if that variable is causal.
          Observed result: differences repeated over three sessions.
          Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
          Commercial relationship: none.

          • #5332
            Artifacts
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              Same tea/batch
              Direct recommendation: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
              Applies to: Qingxin trio: Alishan / Shanlinxi / Lishan 2026 / Taiwan oolong comparison in a setup close to three identical 90 ml cupping gaiwans.
              Evidence: firsthand use of the same Qingxin trio: Alishan / Shanlinxi / Lishan 2026 in a closely matched setup.
              Change: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
              Expected effect: a repeated result should be easier to trust.
              Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
              Limitations: If your actual filled volume differs from the stated volume, the ratio may be the bigger issue.
              Commercial relationship: none.

              • #5333
                Peter Masala
                Participant

                  Controlled test
                  Direct recommendation: weigh the actual filled water once.
                  Applies to: Qingxin trio: Alishan / Shanlinxi / Lishan 2026 / Taiwan oolong comparison in a setup close to three identical 90 ml cupping gaiwans.
                  Evidence: side-by-side or repeated one-variable test.
                  Change: weigh the actual filled water once.
                  Expected effect: your ratio will become comparable with other reports.
                  Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                  Limitations: Water chemistry may change the result, so I would not generalize this to every city.
                  Commercial relationship: none.

                  • #5334
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                      Vendor/order report
                      Direct recommendation: repeat the session with Shanlinxi and Lishan.
                      Applies to: Qingxin trio: Alishan / Shanlinxi / Lishan 2026 / Taiwan oolong comparison in a setup close to three identical 90 ml cupping gaiwans.
                      Evidence: completed order/report with dates and destination disclosed.
                      Change: repeat the session with Shanlinxi and Lishan.
                      Expected effect: the cup should move toward separate region differences from brewing differences if that variable is causal.
                      Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                      Limitations: If your actual filled volume differs from the stated volume, the ratio may be the bigger issue.
                      Commercial relationship: none.

              • #5335
                Peter Masala
                Participant

                  Comparable tea
                  Direct recommendation: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                  Applies to: Qingxin trio: Alishan / Shanlinxi / Lishan 2026 / Taiwan oolong comparison in a setup close to three identical 90 ml cupping gaiwans.
                  Evidence: firsthand use of a comparable Taiwan oolong comparison with similar parameters.
                  Change: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                  Expected effect: a repeated result should be easier to trust.
                  Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                  Limitations: I would stop if the change removes the aroma you are trying to preserve.
                  Commercial relationship: none.

                • #5336
                  Artifacts
                  Participant

                    Long-term report
                    Direct recommendation: weigh the actual filled water once.
                    Applies to: Qingxin trio: Alishan / Shanlinxi / Lishan 2026 / Taiwan oolong comparison in a setup close to three identical 90 ml cupping gaiwans.
                    Evidence: repeated sessions over time.
                    Change: weigh the actual filled water once.
                    Expected effect: your ratio will become comparable with other reports.
                    Observed result: differences repeated over three sessions.
                    Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                    Commercial relationship: none.

                  • #5337
                    Peter Masala
                    Participant

                      Vendor/order report
                      Direct recommendation: repeat the session with Shanlinxi and Lishan.
                      Applies to: Qingxin trio: Alishan / Shanlinxi / Lishan 2026 / Taiwan oolong comparison in a setup close to three identical 90 ml cupping gaiwans.
                      Evidence: completed order/report with dates and destination disclosed.
                      Change: repeat the session with Shanlinxi and Lishan.
                      Expected effect: the cup should move toward separate region differences from brewing differences if that variable is causal.
                      Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                      Limitations: Water chemistry may change the result, so I would not generalize this to every city.
                      Commercial relationship: none.

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