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    • #5156
      Tai Chi Tiffin
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        Question or objective: separate roast character from burnt taste
        Tea category: Wuyi yancha
        Exact product: Charcoal Lane 2025 Rou Gui
        Vendor: Red Pine Tea
        Origin: Wuyishan, Fujian
        Cultivar, if known: Rou Gui
        Harvest season/year: spring 2025
        Processing or roast: medium-heavy charcoal roast
        Cake/batch number, if relevant: cake/lot noted above where applicable; otherwise N/A
        Purchase/opening date: purchased 2026-06-02; opened 2026-07-05
        Storage since purchase: sealed original pouch inside a dark cupboard
        Style: gongfu
        Vessel: gaiwan
        Vessel material: porcelain
        Nominal and actual filled capacity: 90 ml nominal / 80 ml filled
        Filter or strainer: lid gap
        Kettle: standard electric kettle + thermometer
        Vessel preheated: yes
        Dry leaf weight: 7.0 g
        Water volume: 80 ml
        Water temperature: 98°C
        Water source or mineral profile: filtered tap water, Toronto; 80 ppm
        Rinse: 5-10 s where noted by the recipe; otherwise none
        Infusion schedule: 8 s, 10 s, 12 s, 18 s, 25 s
        Agitation: none
        Was each infusion completely decanted?: yes
        Aroma: charcoal, cinnamon
        Sweetness: low
        Bitterness: medium
        Astringency: medium
        Body/texture: thick
        Flavour: char, cinnamon bark, mineral
        Aftertaste: roasty and dry
        Number of satisfying infusions: 7
        Exact problem: charred flavour masks everything that should be underneath
        Desired result: separate roast character from burnt taste
        Variable changed: rest after opening
        Previous value: same day
        New value: 10 days
        Result: smoke softened a little but the cup still tastes burnt
        Dry-leaf photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Liquor photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Wet-leaf photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Video if pouring or drainage is relevant: not relevant

        I have reached the stage where changing three things at once is only producing new kinds of confusion. The cup is giving me charred flavour masks everything that should be underneath. The last controlled change was rest after opening: same day to 10 days, and smoke softened a little but the cup still tastes burnt. I would like the next test to be one variable only. If you have brewed this exact tea, or something genuinely comparable in a similar vessel, that would be especially useful.

        My target is simple: separate roast character from burnt taste. I am not looking for a new shopping list unless the equipment is actually the problem.

      • #5157
        Tai Chi Tiffin
        Participant

          Tested solution
          Direct recommendation: use 92°C water for the first two infusions.
          Applies to: Charcoal Lane 2025 Rou Gui / Wuyi yancha in a setup close to gaiwan.
          Evidence: firsthand test by the questioner on Charcoal Lane 2025 Rou Gui.
          Change: use 92°C water for the first two infusions.
          Expected effect: less char with more spice and sweetness.
          Observed result: smoke softened a little but the cup still tastes burnt.
          Limitations: This may not transfer to a heavier roast or a very different vessel size.
          Commercial relationship: none.

          • #5158
            Ringside And Rescue
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              Same tea/batch
              Direct recommendation: reduce leaf to 6 g.
              Applies to: Charcoal Lane 2025 Rou Gui / Wuyi yancha in a setup close to gaiwan.
              Evidence: firsthand use of the same Charcoal Lane 2025 Rou Gui in a closely matched setup.
              Change: reduce leaf to 6 g.
              Expected effect: clearer mineral and fruit notes.
              Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
              Limitations: If your actual filled volume differs from the stated volume, the ratio may be the bigger issue.
              Commercial relationship: none.

              • #5162
                Tai Chi Tiffin
                Participant

                  Professional experience
                  Direct recommendation: air a small portion for another two weeks.
                  Applies to: Charcoal Lane 2025 Rou Gui / Wuyi yancha in a setup close to gaiwan.
                  Evidence: general brewing principle consistent with repeated tests; not this exact batch.
                  Change: air a small portion for another two weeks.
                  Expected effect: rounder roast and less sharp smoke.
                  Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                  Limitations: Water chemistry may change the result, so I would not generalize this to every city.
                  Commercial relationship: none.

            • #5159
              Absurd-Adjuster
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                Comparable tea
                Direct recommendation: air a small portion for another two weeks.
                Applies to: Charcoal Lane 2025 Rou Gui / Wuyi yancha in a setup close to gaiwan.
                Evidence: firsthand use of a comparable Wuyi yancha with similar parameters.
                Change: air a small portion for another two weeks.
                Expected effect: rounder roast and less sharp smoke.
                Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                Commercial relationship: none.

              • #5160
                Tai Chi Tiffin
                Participant

                  Controlled test
                  Direct recommendation: use 92°C water for the first two infusions.
                  Applies to: Charcoal Lane 2025 Rou Gui / Wuyi yancha in a setup close to gaiwan.
                  Evidence: side-by-side or repeated one-variable test.
                  Change: use 92°C water for the first two infusions.
                  Expected effect: less char with more spice and sweetness.
                  Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                  Limitations: Water chemistry may change the result, so I would not generalize this to every city.
                  Commercial relationship: none.

                • #5161
                  Absurd-Adjuster
                  Participant

                    Comparable tea
                    Direct recommendation: reduce leaf to 6 g.
                    Applies to: Charcoal Lane 2025 Rou Gui / Wuyi yancha in a setup close to gaiwan.
                    Evidence: firsthand experience with Wuyi yancha in a different vessel.
                    Change: reduce leaf to 6 g.
                    Expected effect: clearer mineral and fruit notes.
                    Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                    Limitations: This may not transfer to a heavier roast or a very different vessel size.
                    Commercial relationship: none.

                  • #5163
                    Absurd-Adjuster
                    Participant

                      Inference
                      Direct recommendation: use 92°C water for the first two infusions.
                      Applies to: Charcoal Lane 2025 Rou Gui / Wuyi yancha in a setup close to gaiwan.
                      Evidence: inference from the posted parameters, not a test of this exact tea.
                      Change: use 92°C water for the first two infusions.
                      Expected effect: less char with more spice and sweetness.
                      Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                      Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                      Commercial relationship: none.

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