Mold, bloom, storage smell, or me panicking?

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    • #5497
      Crowd Wok
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        Question or objective: determine whether to isolate/discard the cake
        Tea category: puer storage diagnosis
        Exact product: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake
        Vendor: Cloudstep Tea
        Origin: Menghai, Yunnan
        Cultivar, if known: assamica blend
        Harvest season/year: 2016-2017
        Processing or roast: ripe puer cake
        Cake/batch number, if relevant: cake/lot noted above where applicable; otherwise N/A
        Purchase/opening date: purchased 2026-06-14; opened 2026-08-24
        Storage since purchase: as described in the storage experiment below; temperature/RH logged where relevant
        Style: gongfu
        Vessel: 100 ml porcelain gaiwan
        Vessel material: porcelain
        Nominal and actual filled capacity: 90 ml filled
        Filter or strainer: lid gap
        Kettle: gooseneck variable-temperature kettle
        Vessel preheated: yes
        Dry leaf weight: 6 g
        Water volume: 90 ml
        Water temperature: 99°C
        Water source or mineral profile: filtered tap water, 60 ppm
        Rinse: 5-10 s where noted by the recipe; otherwise none
        Infusion schedule: 10 s rinse, 15/20/30 s
        Agitation: none
        Was each infusion completely decanted?: yes
        Aroma: warehouse and cocoa
        Sweetness: medium
        Bitterness: none
        Astringency: low
        Body/texture: thick
        Flavour: cocoa, wood
        Aftertaste: short
        Number of satisfying infusions: 6
        Exact problem: white specks and musty storage aroma after humid summer
        Desired result: determine whether to isolate/discard the cake
        Variable changed: airing
        Previous value: sealed bag
        New value: 48 hours dry airing
        Result: musty aroma reduced but white specks unchanged
        Dry-leaf photograph: not attached yet
        Liquor photograph: not attached yet
        Wet-leaf photograph: not attached yet
        Video if pouring or drainage is relevant: not relevant

        this is a dated storage note rather than a declaration that I have solved aging. The comparison is airing: sealed bag versus 48 hours dry airing. musty aroma reduced but white specks unchanged.

        Climate and measurement matter here. If your storage is in a different humidity range, please label it. Failure reports are useful too; I would rather know what went wrong than build a shrine to survivorship bias.

      • #5498
        Noodle 92
        Participant

          Long-term report
          Direct recommendation: repeat the session with 48 hours dry airing.
          Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
          Evidence: measured storage in a similar climate.
          Change: repeat the session with 48 hours dry airing.
          Expected effect: the cup should move toward determine whether to isolate/discard the cake if that variable is causal.
          Observed result: musty aroma reduced but white specks unchanged.
          Limitations: I would stop if the change removes the aroma you are trying to preserve.
          Commercial relationship: none.

          • #5504
            Baghar
            Participant

              Controlled test
              Direct recommendation: repeat the session with 48 hours dry airing.
              Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
              Evidence: side-by-side or repeated one-variable test.
              Change: repeat the session with 48 hours dry airing.
              Expected effect: the cup should move toward determine whether to isolate/discard the cake if that variable is causal.
              Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
              Limitations: This may not transfer to a heavier roast or a very different vessel size.
              Commercial relationship: none.

          • #5499
            Bug Report Fiction
            Participant

              Long-term report
              Direct recommendation: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
              Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
              Evidence: repeated sessions over time.
              Change: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
              Expected effect: a repeated result should be easier to trust.
              Observed result: musty aroma reduced but white specks unchanged.
              Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
              Commercial relationship: none.

              • #5500
                Ringside And Rescue
                Participant

                  Controlled test
                  Direct recommendation: weigh the actual filled water once.
                  Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
                  Evidence: side-by-side or repeated one-variable test.
                  Change: weigh the actual filled water once.
                  Expected effect: your ratio will become comparable with other reports.
                  Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                  Limitations: Water chemistry may change the result, so I would not generalize this to every city.
                  Commercial relationship: none.

                  • #5506
                    Crowd Wok
                    Participant

                      Original-poster update
                      Direct recommendation: weigh the actual filled water once.
                      Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
                      Evidence: follow-up on the author’s own Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake.
                      Change: weigh the actual filled water once.
                      Expected effect: your ratio will become comparable with other reports.
                      Observed result: musty aroma reduced but white specks unchanged.
                      Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                      Commercial relationship: none.

                • #5501
                  Baghar
                  Participant

                    Comparable tea
                    Direct recommendation: repeat the session with 48 hours dry airing.
                    Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
                    Evidence: firsthand use of a comparable puer storage diagnosis with similar parameters.
                    Change: repeat the session with 48 hours dry airing.
                    Expected effect: the cup should move toward determine whether to isolate/discard the cake if that variable is causal.
                    Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                    Limitations: I would stop if the change removes the aroma you are trying to preserve.
                    Commercial relationship: none.

                  • #5502
                    Crowd Wok
                    Participant

                      Inference
                      Direct recommendation: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                      Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
                      Evidence: inference from the posted parameters, not a test of this exact tea.
                      Change: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                      Expected effect: a repeated result should be easier to trust.
                      Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                      Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                      Commercial relationship: none.

                    • #5503
                      Ringside And Rescue
                      Participant

                        please continue, this is exactly the kind of nonsense i like reading while my own tea oversteeps

                        • #5505
                          Noodle 92
                          Participant

                            Inference
                            Direct recommendation: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                            Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
                            Evidence: inference from the posted parameters, not a test of this exact tea.
                            Change: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                            Expected effect: a repeated result should be easier to trust.
                            Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                            Limitations: If your actual filled volume differs from the stated volume, the ratio may be the bigger issue.
                            Commercial relationship: none.

                            • #5507
                              Bug Report Fiction
                              Participant

                                Long-term report
                                Direct recommendation: repeat the session with 48 hours dry airing.
                                Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
                                Evidence: repeated sessions over time.
                                Change: repeat the session with 48 hours dry airing.
                                Expected effect: the cup should move toward determine whether to isolate/discard the cake if that variable is causal.
                                Observed result: musty aroma reduced but white specks unchanged.
                                Limitations: I would stop if the change removes the aroma you are trying to preserve.
                                Commercial relationship: none.

                          • #5508
                            Crowd Wok
                            Participant

                              Original-poster update
                              Direct recommendation: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                              Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
                              Evidence: follow-up on the author’s own Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake.
                              Change: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                              Expected effect: a repeated result should be easier to trust.
                              Observed result: musty aroma reduced but white specks unchanged.
                              Limitations: If your actual filled volume differs from the stated volume, the ratio may be the bigger issue.
                              Commercial relationship: none.

                            • #5509
                              Crowd Wok
                              Participant

                                Original-poster update
                                Direct recommendation: weigh the actual filled water once.
                                Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
                                Evidence: follow-up on the author’s own Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake.
                                Change: weigh the actual filled water once.
                                Expected effect: your ratio will become comparable with other reports.
                                Observed result: musty aroma reduced but white specks unchanged.
                                Limitations: I would stop if the change removes the aroma you are trying to preserve.
                                Commercial relationship: none.

                              • #5510
                                Crowd Wok
                                Participant

                                  Long-term report
                                  Direct recommendation: repeat the session with 48 hours dry airing.
                                  Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
                                  Evidence: measured storage in a similar climate.
                                  Change: repeat the session with 48 hours dry airing.
                                  Expected effect: the cup should move toward determine whether to isolate/discard the cake if that variable is causal.
                                  Observed result: musty aroma reduced but white specks unchanged.
                                  Limitations: Water chemistry may change the result, so I would not generalize this to every city.
                                  Commercial relationship: none.

                                • #5511
                                  Baghar
                                  Participant

                                    Controlled test
                                    Direct recommendation: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                                    Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
                                    Evidence: side-by-side or repeated one-variable test.
                                    Change: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                                    Expected effect: a repeated result should be easier to trust.
                                    Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                                    Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                                    Commercial relationship: none.

                                  • #5512
                                    Crowd Wok
                                    Participant

                                      Comparable tea
                                      Direct recommendation: weigh the actual filled water once.
                                      Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
                                      Evidence: firsthand use of a comparable puer storage diagnosis with similar parameters.
                                      Change: weigh the actual filled water once.
                                      Expected effect: your ratio will become comparable with other reports.
                                      Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                                      Limitations: I would stop if the change removes the aroma you are trying to preserve.
                                      Commercial relationship: none.

                                    • #5513
                                      Baghar
                                      Participant

                                        Comparable tea
                                        Direct recommendation: repeat the session with 48 hours dry airing.
                                        Applies to: Warehouse Moon 2017 shou cake / puer storage diagnosis in a setup close to 100 ml porcelain gaiwan.
                                        Evidence: firsthand use of a comparable puer storage diagnosis with similar parameters.
                                        Change: repeat the session with 48 hours dry airing.
                                        Expected effect: the cup should move toward determine whether to isolate/discard the cake if that variable is causal.
                                        Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                                        Limitations: If your actual filled volume differs from the stated volume, the ratio may be the bigger issue.
                                        Commercial relationship: none.

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