Expertise, sources, and the noble art of saying “I don’t know”

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    • #3742
      Fermenter
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        Can we establish one norm before somebody confidently poisons a pickle, rewires a wall or diagnoses a stranger from three sentences?

        I do not want every casual recommendation to require citations. “I liked this book” does not need a bibliography. “I have done this repair twenty times” is useful information. But experience, expertise, evidence and confidence are not interchangeable.

        My suggestion is simple: say what kind of claim you are making. If it is personal experience, say that. If you know professionally, say what field you actually know. If the stakes are high, sources matter more. If you are guessing, admitting that improves the answer.

        And if somebody corrects you and they are right, “I was wrong” should be treated as normal forum maintenance, not a public execution.

        What would you add?

      • #3743
        Strata Field Reader
        Participant

          I’d like a norm that people distinguish experience from expertise.

        • #3744
          Marginalia
          Participant

            We should be allowed to give advice without attaching a bibliography to breakfast. Links to primary material are nice when available; screenshots of someone’s cousin’s post are less persuasive.

          • #3745
            Coffee-Kriti
            Participant

              Yes, provided the scope is clear. the phrase ‘I don’t know’ needs better public relations. Book and music arguments can remain gloriously evidence-resistant.

            • #3746
              Bug Report Fiction
              Participant

                I care most when advice has a real safety or financial consequence. A good source should reduce confusion, not merely increase the number of tabs open.

                • #3747
                  Fermenter
                  Participant

                    That distinction between ordinary recommendations and high-stakes advice is the important one for me. I do not need a citation for soup; I do want more care before someone gives medical, electrical or food-safety certainty.

                • #3748
                  Briefs And Books
                  Participant

                    Personal experience is useful, but it should be labeled as personal experience.

                    • #3749
                      Safety 81
                      Participant

                        That is the part I agree with. I don’t want every thread turning into source court.

                        • #3750
                          Garden In Order
                          Participant

                            Yes, especially that point. A link can help, but a link is not automatically evidence. A good source should reduce confusion, not merely increase the number of tabs open.

                      • #3751
                        Prison Book Bars
                        Participant

                          I’d rather someone say ‘this worked for me’ than pretend one example proves a rule. A professional title matters only inside the area it actually covers.

                          • #3752
                            Bookish92
                            Participant

                              Right, and I’d add one thing. People with professional experience should be able to say so without becoming the forum’s unpaid help desk. Links to primary material are nice when available; screenshots of someone’s cousin’s post are less persuasive.

                              • #3753
                                Breath-Breakfast
                                Participant

                                  That sounds about right to me. Corrections should be ordinary.

                            • #3754
                              Paperback-Postpunk
                              Participant

                                The standard can change with the stakes. A good source should reduce confusion, not merely increase the number of tabs open.

                                • #3755
                                  Radiorook
                                  Participant

                                    That is the part I agree with. If we are arguing about an album, nobody needs peer review. A professional title matters only inside the area it actually covers.

                                    • #3756
                                      Wing Chun Wrench
                                      Participant

                                        Yes, especially that point. If we are telling somebody what chemical to mix, the bar should rise considerably.

                                  • #3757
                                    Type-Yogi
                                    Participant

                                      That seems like a good boundary. i like practical expertise, but practical experts can still be wrong outside their lane. Book and music arguments can remain gloriously evidence-resistant.

                                      • #3758
                                        Civic Fish Stories
                                        Participant

                                          Right, and I’d add one thing. Maybe the rule is simply to show your level of certainty.

                                          • #3759
                                            Tilewalker
                                            Participant

                                              That sounds about right to me. I’d encourage people to ask ‘how do you know?’ without making it an accusation. A professional title matters only inside the area it actually covers.

                                        • #3760
                                          Cleaver
                                          Participant

                                            Nobody should have to perform humility, but some actual humility would be useful. Links to primary material are nice when available; screenshots of someone’s cousin’s post are less persuasive.

                                            • #3761
                                              Ritual-Notes
                                              Participant

                                                That is the part I agree with. Sources are most useful when they address the specific claim, not when they are thrown like furniture. Book and music arguments can remain gloriously evidence-resistant.

                                                • #3762
                                                  Choralist
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                                                    Yes, especially that point. Let’s make changing your mind socially cheap. A good source should reduce confusion, not merely increase the number of tabs open.

                                              • #3763
                                                Marginalia
                                                Participant

                                                  I’d like a norm that people distinguish experience from expertise. We should discourage medical diagnosis, legal certainty and financial guarantees from strangers.

                                                  • #3764
                                                    Coffee-Kriti
                                                    Participant

                                                      Right, and I’d add one thing. We should be allowed to give advice without attaching a bibliography to breakfast. Links to primary material are nice when available; screenshots of someone’s cousin’s post are less persuasive.

                                                      • #3765
                                                        Bug Report Fiction
                                                        Participant

                                                          That sounds about right to me. The phrase ‘I don’t know’ needs better public relations. Book and music arguments can remain gloriously evidence-resistant.

                                                    • #3766
                                                      Strata Field Reader
                                                      Participant

                                                        I care most when advice has a real safety or financial consequence. A good source should reduce confusion, not merely increase the number of tabs open. Technical claims can often be tested. Say what you tried and what happened.

                                                        • #3767
                                                          Briefs And Books
                                                          Participant

                                                            That is the part I agree with. Confidence should not be treated as a credential. A professional title matters only inside the area it actually covers.

                                                            • #3768
                                                              Safety 81
                                                              Participant

                                                                Yes, especially that point. Personal experience is useful, but it should be labeled as personal experience.

                                                          • #3769
                                                            Garden In Order
                                                            Participant

                                                              Yes, from me. i don’t want every thread turning into source court. Book and music arguments can remain gloriously evidence-resistant.

                                                              • #3770
                                                                Fermenter
                                                                Participant

                                                                  Right, and I’d add one thing. A link can help, but a link is not automatically evidence. A good source should reduce confusion, not merely increase the number of tabs open.

                                                                  • #3771
                                                                    Coffee-Kriti
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      That sounds about right to me. I’d rather someone say ‘this worked for me’ than pretend one example proves a rule. A professional title matters only inside the area it actually covers.

                                                                • #3772
                                                                  Bug Report Fiction
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    People with professional experience should be able to say so without becoming the forum’s unpaid help desk. Links to primary material are nice when available; screenshots of someone’s cousin’s post are less persuasive.

                                                                    • #3773
                                                                      Fermenter
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        That is the part I agree with. Corrections should be ordinary.

                                                                        • #3774
                                                                          Marginalia
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Yes, especially that point. The standard can change with the stakes. A good source should reduce confusion, not merely increase the number of tabs open.

                                                                      • #3775
                                                                        Fermenter
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          If we are arguing about an album, nobody needs peer review. A professional title matters only inside the area it actually covers.

                                                                          • #3776
                                                                            Marginalia
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              Right, and I’d add one thing. If we are telling somebody what chemical to mix, the bar should rise considerably. Links to primary material are nice when available; screenshots of someone’s cousin’s post are less persuasive.

                                                                              • #3777
                                                                                Fermenter
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  That sounds about right to me. I like practical expertise, but practical experts can still be wrong outside their lane. Book and music arguments can remain gloriously evidence-resistant.

                                                                            • #3778
                                                                              Fermenter
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                Maybe the rule is simply to show your level of certainty.

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