75°C vs 85°C: same sencha, same bad habit of overthinking it

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    • #5181
      Safety 81
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        Question or objective: decide which temperature gives the best balance
        Tea category: Japanese green tea
        Exact product: Morning Field 2026 sencha
        Vendor: North Window Tea
        Origin: Uji, Japan
        Cultivar, if known: Yabukita
        Harvest season/year: spring 2026
        Processing or roast: asamushi sencha
        Cake/batch number, if relevant: cake/lot noted above where applicable; otherwise N/A
        Purchase/opening date: purchased 2026-05-28; opened 2026-07-06
        Storage since purchase: refrigerated sealed pouch; portion warmed before opening
        Style: Japanese
        Vessel: porcelain shiboridashi
        Vessel material: porcelain
        Nominal and actual filled capacity: 120 ml nominal / 100 ml filled
        Filter or strainer: built-in grooves
        Kettle: stovetop kettle + thermometer
        Vessel preheated: yes
        Dry leaf weight: 5.0 g
        Water volume: 100 ml
        Water temperature: 75°C vs 85°C
        Water source or mineral profile: low-mineral bottled water, 40 ppm
        Rinse: 5-10 s where noted by the recipe; otherwise none
        Infusion schedule: 60 s first steep in both tests
        Agitation: none
        Was each infusion completely decanted?: yes
        Aroma: sweet grass at 75; stronger nori at 85
        Sweetness: higher at 75
        Bitterness: higher at 85
        Astringency: low vs medium
        Body/texture: silky vs fuller
        Flavour: pea/sweet grass vs nori/citrus peel
        Aftertaste: longer at 75
        Number of satisfying infusions: 3 each
        Exact problem: comparing temperature while holding the rest stable
        Desired result: decide which temperature gives the best balance
        Variable changed: temperature
        Previous value: 75°C
        New value: 85°C
        Result: 85°C increased body and aroma but also doubled the bitter edge
        Dry-leaf photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Liquor photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Wet-leaf photograph: available in the author’s notes; not embedded in this archive
        Video if pouring or drainage is relevant: not relevant

        I ran this as a comparison rather than two unrelated cups because memory is a terrible laboratory assistant. The main variable was temperature: 75°C versus 85°C. Everything else was kept as close as I could manage.

        The result so far: 85°C increased body and aroma but also doubled the bitter edge. I would be interested in reports from people who have repeated the same comparison, especially if you used similar water and vessel.

      • #5182
        Wire And Gloves
        Participant

          Controlled test
          Direct recommendation: repeat the session with 85°C.
          Applies to: Morning Field 2026 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to porcelain shiboridashi.
          Evidence: firsthand ownership/use of both compared options.
          Change: repeat the session with 85°C.
          Expected effect: the cup should move toward decide which temperature gives the best balance if that variable is causal.
          Observed result: 85°C increased body and aroma but also doubled the bitter edge.
          Limitations: I would stop if the change removes the aroma you are trying to preserve.
          Commercial relationship: none.

          • #5192
            Breath-Breakfast
            Participant

              I came here to say “use cooler water” and the rules have correctly confiscated my keyboard.

          • #5183
            Breath-Breakfast
            Participant

              Controlled test
              Direct recommendation: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
              Applies to: Morning Field 2026 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to porcelain shiboridashi.
              Evidence: controlled side-by-side use under matched conditions.
              Change: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
              Expected effect: a repeated result should be easier to trust.
              Observed result: 85°C increased body and aroma but also doubled the bitter edge.
              Limitations: This may not transfer to a heavier roast or a very different vessel size.
              Commercial relationship: none.

            • #5184
              Okra
              Participant

                Long-term report
                Direct recommendation: weigh the actual filled water once.
                Applies to: Morning Field 2026 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to porcelain shiboridashi.
                Evidence: firsthand long-term use of one side of the comparison.
                Change: weigh the actual filled water once.
                Expected effect: your ratio will become comparable with other reports.
                Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                Limitations: If your actual filled volume differs from the stated volume, the ratio may be the bigger issue.
                Commercial relationship: none.

              • #5185
                Safety 81
                Participant

                  Controlled test
                  Direct recommendation: repeat the session with 85°C.
                  Applies to: Morning Field 2026 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to porcelain shiboridashi.
                  Evidence: side-by-side or repeated one-variable test.
                  Change: repeat the session with 85°C.
                  Expected effect: the cup should move toward decide which temperature gives the best balance if that variable is causal.
                  Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                  Limitations: I would stop if the change removes the aroma you are trying to preserve.
                  Commercial relationship: none.

                  • #5186
                    Okra
                    Participant

                      Long-term report
                      Direct recommendation: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                      Applies to: Morning Field 2026 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to porcelain shiboridashi.
                      Evidence: repeated sessions over time.
                      Change: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                      Expected effect: a repeated result should be easier to trust.
                      Observed result: 85°C increased body and aroma but also doubled the bitter edge.
                      Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                      Commercial relationship: none.

                    • #5188
                      Breath-Breakfast
                      Participant

                        Long-term report
                        Direct recommendation: repeat the session with 85°C.
                        Applies to: Morning Field 2026 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to porcelain shiboridashi.
                        Evidence: firsthand long-term use of one side of the comparison.
                        Change: repeat the session with 85°C.
                        Expected effect: the cup should move toward decide which temperature gives the best balance if that variable is causal.
                        Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                        Limitations: If your actual filled volume differs from the stated volume, the ratio may be the bigger issue.
                        Commercial relationship: none.

                      • #5189
                        Wire And Gloves
                        Participant

                          Long-term report
                          Direct recommendation: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                          Applies to: Morning Field 2026 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to porcelain shiboridashi.
                          Evidence: repeated sessions over time.
                          Change: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                          Expected effect: a repeated result should be easier to trust.
                          Observed result: 85°C increased body and aroma but also doubled the bitter edge.
                          Limitations: I would stop if the change removes the aroma you are trying to preserve.
                          Commercial relationship: none.

                        • #5195
                          Okra
                          Participant

                            Long-term report
                            Direct recommendation: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                            Applies to: Morning Field 2026 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to porcelain shiboridashi.
                            Evidence: firsthand long-term use of one side of the comparison.
                            Change: repeat the same recipe on a second day.
                            Expected effect: a repeated result should be easier to trust.
                            Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                            Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                            Commercial relationship: none.

                        • #5187
                          Wire And Gloves
                          Participant

                            Controlled test
                            Direct recommendation: weigh the actual filled water once.
                            Applies to: Morning Field 2026 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to porcelain shiboridashi.
                            Evidence: controlled side-by-side use under matched conditions.
                            Change: weigh the actual filled water once.
                            Expected effect: your ratio will become comparable with other reports.
                            Observed result: 85°C increased body and aroma but also doubled the bitter edge.
                            Limitations: This may not transfer to a heavier roast or a very different vessel size.
                            Commercial relationship: none.

                          • #5190
                            Breath-Breakfast
                            Participant

                              Controlled test
                              Direct recommendation: weigh the actual filled water once.
                              Applies to: Morning Field 2026 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to porcelain shiboridashi.
                              Evidence: controlled side-by-side use under matched conditions.
                              Change: weigh the actual filled water once.
                              Expected effect: your ratio will become comparable with other reports.
                              Observed result: 85°C increased body and aroma but also doubled the bitter edge.
                              Limitations: This may not transfer to a heavier roast or a very different vessel size.
                              Commercial relationship: none.

                            • #5191
                              Safety 81
                              Participant

                                Long-term report
                                Direct recommendation: repeat the session with 85°C.
                                Applies to: Morning Field 2026 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to porcelain shiboridashi.
                                Evidence: firsthand long-term use of one side of the comparison.
                                Change: repeat the session with 85°C.
                                Expected effect: the cup should move toward decide which temperature gives the best balance if that variable is causal.
                                Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                                Limitations: I would stop if the change removes the aroma you are trying to preserve.
                                Commercial relationship: none.

                              • #5193
                                Okra
                                Participant

                                  Long-term report
                                  Direct recommendation: weigh the actual filled water once.
                                  Applies to: Morning Field 2026 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to porcelain shiboridashi.
                                  Evidence: firsthand long-term use of one side of the comparison.
                                  Change: weigh the actual filled water once.
                                  Expected effect: your ratio will become comparable with other reports.
                                  Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                                  Limitations: My result is from a small number of sessions, so treat it as evidence rather than law.
                                  Commercial relationship: none.

                                • #5194
                                  Breath-Breakfast
                                  Participant

                                    Controlled test
                                    Direct recommendation: repeat the session with 85°C.
                                    Applies to: Morning Field 2026 sencha / Japanese green tea in a setup close to porcelain shiboridashi.
                                    Evidence: side-by-side or repeated one-variable test.
                                    Change: repeat the session with 85°C.
                                    Expected effect: the cup should move toward decide which temperature gives the best balance if that variable is causal.
                                    Observed result: not tested on this exact setup yet.
                                    Limitations: I would stop if the change removes the aroma you are trying to preserve.
                                    Commercial relationship: none.

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