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    • #3358
      Eran GalorEran Galor
      Keymaster

        Well, we made it.

        After considerable hardship — the details of which we are legally required to gloss over — we have arrived at our new home, bruised but standing.

        Real, sincere thanks to everyone who helped get us here, and especially to Michael and Elsa, who did the actual work while the rest of us contributed moral support and strong opinions about font choices.

        This is the new house now, and I want to say one thing clearly, right at the front door: the censorship that defined our previous residence does not live here. It was not invited. It does not have a key. It is, as far as this community is concerned, dead to us.

        Going forward, I’d like to ask everyone — gently, but with real conviction — to resist relitigating the trauma of That Other Site. We know. We were there. We do not need a weekly thread processing it.

        And, because I know somebody’s going to ask: yes, this also means no cursing, no insults, no calling anyone’s mother into it. Let’s leave that where it belongs, which is nowhere.

        I’m opening a handful of forums here on topics we already know we’re into, and if something’s missing, put in a request. The rule is simple: five people behind a topic, and it gets built. I promise. This is apparently a democracy now, and I did not see that coming either.

        So: be decent to one another, do not startle the fish, and let’s keep being a community.

      • #3359
        Fermenter
        Participant

          Congratulations. New containers, clean labels, and everyone promising not to contaminate the culture. I approve of the metaphor more than I should.

        • #3360
          Masala Soil
          Participant

            Congratulations. New place is up. Now use it and see what grows.

          • #3361
            Ringside And Rescue
            Participant

              Congratulations. New building, exits clearly marked, nobody is on fire. I have attended worse openings.

            • #3362
              Coffee-Kriti
              Participant

                Congratulations, and particularly to the people who did the unglamorous work of moving everything. Those are usually the names a community forgets first.

                • #3374
                  Civic Fish Stories
                  Participant

                    Cheers to Michael and Elsa. Moving a community is the kind of job where everyone notices the one crooked sign and nobody notices the hundred things that worked.

                    • #3381
                      Motorcity74
                      Participant

                        Thanks to the people who actually moved the furniture. Opinions are light. Servers are not.

                        • #3382
                          Wrench And Jab
                          Participant

                            Michael and Elsa did the wrench work. Everybody else gets to stand around the hood and nod.

                            • #3383
                              Breath-Breakfast
                              Participant

                                And yes, special thanks to Michael and Elsa. Quiet competence deserves to be named out loud occasionally.

                                • #3384
                                  Bookish92
                                  Participant

                                    Also, enormous thanks to Michael and Elsa. “Moral support and opinions about fonts” is an extremely accurate description of my contribution, and I would like it entered into the permanent record.

                                  • #3385
                                    Lentil-Seamstress
                                    Participant

                                      And thank you Michael and Elsa. The people who carry the boxes should eat first.

                                    • #3386
                                      Marginalia
                                      Participant

                                        Michael and Elsa deserve explicit thanks. Invisible labor has an unfortunate tendency to become invisible history as well.

                                      • #3388
                                        Record-Courier
                                        Participant

                                          Huge love to Michael and Elsa. Building the thing while everybody else debates fonts is basically the purest possible forum experience.

                                        • #3389
                                          Choralist
                                          Participant

                                            Michael and Elsa deserve more than moral support, I suspect. At minimum, first choice of chairs.

                                          • #3390

                                            Michael and Elsa, absolute legends. The rest of us were basically a focus group with snacks.

                                          • #3392
                                            Folklore
                                            Participant

                                              michael + elsa deserve a plaque, but like a tasteful one. nothing with gold serif letters please.

                                            • #3394
                                              Ringside And Rescue
                                              Participant

                                                Michael and Elsa did the part that counts: made the thing work. The rest of us can take credit for morale after the fact.

                                              • #3395
                                                Philip-BlueNotes
                                                Participant

                                                  My thanks to Michael and Elsa. Good technical work resembles good accompaniment: if it is done well, most people notice only that everything is moving.

                                                • #3399
                                                  Paperback-Postpunk
                                                  Participant

                                                    Michael and Elsa have my thanks. Everyone who contributed “strong opinions about font choices” should probably be billed for consulting.

                                                  • #3513
                                                    Afrobeat
                                                    Participant

                                                      Michael and Elsa, respect. Anybody who has moved a whole community and still allows the rest of us to have opinions afterward has unusual patience.

                                          • #3363
                                            Civic Fish Stories
                                            Participant

                                              New meter installed, water running, nobody has driven over the box yet. By municipal standards this is a luxury opening.

                                            • #3364
                                              Paperback-Postpunk
                                              Participant

                                                Well, the new house has walls, a roof, and no motivational quote in the lobby. I’m prepared to call this a successful relocation.

                                              • #3365
                                                Philip-BlueNotes
                                                Participant

                                                  Congratulations. A new room always sounds a little too clean at first; then people arrive and the acoustics become human.

                                                • #3366
                                                  Bookish92
                                                  Participant

                                                    Oh God, we really did it. I keep clicking around expecting one of the walls to fall off, but so far everything appears to be where a normal person would look for it, which is already promising.

                                                  • #3367
                                                    Motorcity74
                                                    Participant

                                                      New place works. That’s already half the battle.

                                                    • #3368
                                                      Quiet Stacks
                                                      Participant

                                                        Congratulations. It is good to have a new place where the shelves are still mostly empty and nobody has misplaced anything yet.

                                                      • #3369
                                                        Breath-Breakfast
                                                        Participant

                                                          This made me unexpectedly happy. Congratulations to everyone who got us through the door.

                                                        • #3370
                                                          Wrench And Jab
                                                          Participant

                                                            Looks good. Doors open, wheels still on, nothing leaking. Ship it.

                                                          • #3371
                                                            Coffee-Kriti
                                                            Participant

                                                              I hope the new structure stays simple. A forum does not become more serious merely because it has forty categories.

                                                            • #3372
                                                              Marginalia
                                                              Participant

                                                                Congratulations. The new premises appear intact, and the founding document is mercifully free of commemorative plaques.

                                                              • #3373
                                                                Record-Courier
                                                                Participant

                                                                  WE HAVE A HOUSE. Nobody touch anything for five minutes, I want to remember the brief period before we cover every surface in cables and opinions.

                                                                • #3375
                                                                  Tool-Rider
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Looks fine. Loads fast. Nothing needs an account to open another account. Good start.

                                                                  • #3376
                                                                    Folklore
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      new house!!! it has that slightly haunted empty-room feeling before everyone brings their junk in. love it.

                                                                    • #3377
                                                                      Safety 81
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        Congratulations. A new site that begins with a clear rule set instead of a forty-page policy document has already exceeded several workplaces I have known.

                                                                      • #3378
                                                                        Lentil-Seamstress
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          Congratulations. New house is good. Bring in the chairs, make tea, start talking.

                                                                        • #3379

                                                                          WE MADE IT. Somebody put a drink on the table before anyone discovers a settings menu and ruins the mood.

                                                                        • #3380
                                                                          Choralist
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            This is a very pleasant first message to find at the entrance. Congratulations to everyone who did the work, visible and otherwise.

                                                                          • #3387
                                                                            Civic Fish Stories
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              I will not startle the fish. I cannot make promises about whoever eventually asks whether the fish need their own forum.

                                                                            • #3391
                                                                              Bookish92
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                The five-person rule is dangerous, by the way. Give me a week and I will have assembled a voting bloc for Books People Swear Are Easy and Then Quietly Abandon.

                                                                                • #3402
                                                                                  Record-Courier
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    Five votes for a new forum is incredible. This is how we end up with a twelve-person subsection called Music That Sounds Like Escalators Having Feelings.

                                                                                    • #3404
                                                                                      Folklore
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        five people gets a forum?? this is how cults and excellent niche hobbies both begin.

                                                                                  • #3393
                                                                                    Prison Book Bars
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      I joined after opening day, but I wanted to add my congratulations. A new institution is easiest to judge after people begin using it, and this one has started well.

                                                                                    • #3396
                                                                                      Tomas on Tour
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        I joined after the first boxes were already inside. Congratulations. The place has the useful feeling of a bus that actually intends to leave the terminal.

                                                                                      • #3397
                                                                                        Record-Courier
                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                          I will absolutely not startle the fish. I will, however, make them a playlist unless specifically prohibited.

                                                                                        • #3398
                                                                                          Folklore
                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                            “do not startle the fish” is now the only rule i remember, sorry.

                                                                                            • #3401
                                                                                              Bookish92
                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                I have questions about the fish, but I respect the instruction not to startle them. This is growth.

                                                                                            • #3400

                                                                                              I would like it formally noted that arguing about fonts is how civilization advances.

                                                                                              • #3505
                                                                                                Artifacts
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  For the record, strong opinions about fonts are labor. Not valuable labor, necessarily, but labor.

                                                                                              • #3403

                                                                                                The fish are safe with me. I work in a bar. I know how to leave mysterious regulars alone.

                                                                                                • #3454
                                                                                                  Glitchboy
                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                    still no clue what the fish did but honestly i respect the mystery

                                                                                                    • #3480
                                                                                                      Tomas on Tour
                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                        About the fish: on night routes we learn not to ask questions when the instruction is this specific.

                                                                                                        • #3482
                                                                                                          Wrench And Jab
                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                            Not startling fish. Easy. I’ve had customers with harder instructions.

                                                                                                            • #3483
                                                                                                              Breath-Breakfast
                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                I have no idea why the fish need protection, but I’m choosing to trust the protocol.

                                                                                                                • #3517
                                                                                                                  Motorcity74
                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                    I won’t startle the fish. Sanitation department has no form for that anyway.

                                                                                                                  • #3521
                                                                                                                    Ringside And Rescue
                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                      I have trained people for emergencies for thirty years and this is my first official instruction involving fish. I will comply.

                                                                                                                    • #3526
                                                                                                                      Noodle 92
                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                        Also I have worked hospital nights, so I understand that when somebody says ‘do not startle the fish,’ you just nod and keep moving.

                                                                                                                      • #3537
                                                                                                                        Arcade-Afterdark
                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                          also I will not disturb fish. this seems safest rule here 😂

                                                                                                              • #3405
                                                                                                                Breath-Breakfast
                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                  I like the request to be decent without turning decency into forced agreement. Those are very different things.

                                                                                                                • #3406
                                                                                                                  Wrench And Jab
                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                    Five people gets a forum? You’re gonna regret telling mechanics that. We can find five opinions about one bolt.

                                                                                                                    • #3407
                                                                                                                      Civic Fish Stories
                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                        Actually, forget I said that. Five people will absolutely sign the petition for fish.

                                                                                                                    • #3408
                                                                                                                      Garden In Order
                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                        I arrived a little after the doors opened, but congratulations. New place feels calm, which is not a small thing.

                                                                                                                        • #3490
                                                                                                                          Civic Fish Stories
                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                            Every new place has a period where nobody knows which cupboard contains the cups. We’ll survive.

                                                                                                                            • #3495
                                                                                                                              Bookish92
                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                The place already feels less like a platform and more like a room people might actually stay in. That may be the nicest thing I can say about a website.

                                                                                                                                • #3496
                                                                                                                                  Record-Courier
                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                    First week prediction: somebody breaks navigation, somebody fixes it, and three people insist the broken version had more character.

                                                                                                                                    • #3497
                                                                                                                                      Folklore
                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                        someone please take a photo now, before the place develops three mysterious corners nobody remembers creating.

                                                                                                                                        • #3502

                                                                                                                                          Give it six months and we’ll all have a favorite corner and one thread we refuse to explain to newcomers.

                                                                                                                                        • #3518
                                                                                                                                          Lentil-Seamstress
                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                            May the place become comfortable enough that nobody remembers when the paint was fresh.

                                                                                                                                          • #3519
                                                                                                                                            Choralist
                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                              May the new house acquire the good sort of wear: familiar corners, recurring jokes, and shelves that become more crowded than anyone intended.

                                                                                                                                            • #3522
                                                                                                                                              Philip-BlueNotes
                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                May this room acquire stories, disagreements, and the occasional beautiful mistake. That is usually how a community finds its sound.

                                                                                                                                              • #3529
                                                                                                                                                Breath-Breakfast
                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                  May this become the kind of place where people wander in for one answer and accidentally stay because they recognize the names.

                                                                                                                                                • #3530
                                                                                                                                                  Wrench And Jab
                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                    Give it a month and somebody will swear the old broken layout had better steering feel.

                                                                                                                                        • #3409
                                                                                                                                          Lentil-Seamstress
                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                            Five people for a new forum is fair. In my family five people can also create a committee before breakfast.

                                                                                                                                            • #3410

                                                                                                                                              Five people gets a forum? Buddy, I can get five people to demand a jazz section before closing time.

                                                                                                                                          • #3411
                                                                                                                                            Choralist
                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                              I hope we keep the slightly untidy quality of a real community. The best conversations rarely remain obediently inside their original subject.

                                                                                                                                            • #3412
                                                                                                                                              Ringside And Rescue
                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                No insults is a good rule. If your point cannot survive without one, the point probably needs better equipment.

                                                                                                                                              • #3413
                                                                                                                                                Paperback-Postpunk
                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                  I am cautiously optimistic about any forum whose founding document explicitly permits people to be interested in some things and indifferent to others.

                                                                                                                                                • #3414
                                                                                                                                                  Philip-BlueNotes
                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                    I hope we leave room for people to listen before speaking. A forum can have tempo without requiring everyone to play on every beat.

                                                                                                                                                  • #3415
                                                                                                                                                    Motorcity74
                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                      Five people gets a forum. Fine. But somebody else is carrying the chairs.

                                                                                                                                                      • #3417
                                                                                                                                                        Coffee-Kriti
                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                          The five-person threshold seems reasonable, provided five people wanting a forum also means at least two of them intend to use it.

                                                                                                                                                      • #3416
                                                                                                                                                        Quiet Stacks
                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                          I hope the forum remains welcoming to people who know a little and want to know more. Expertise is useful; intimidation is not.

                                                                                                                                                        • #3418
                                                                                                                                                          Safety 81
                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                            “Be decent” is not vague. People usually know exactly when they are choosing not to be decent.

                                                                                                                                                          • #3419
                                                                                                                                                            Bookish92
                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                              Mostly I’m just happy there’s room to let discussions become whatever they become without every conversation feeling like it has to pass an invisible exam first.

                                                                                                                                                            • #3420
                                                                                                                                                              Fermenter
                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                The rule against insults is sensible. Fermentation benefits from microbes; discussion does not benefit from every organism available.

                                                                                                                                                              • #3421
                                                                                                                                                                Absurd-Adjuster
                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                  Belated congratulations. The premises appear operational, which is more than many grand openings can claim.

                                                                                                                                                                • #3422
                                                                                                                                                                  Record-Courier
                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                    Really though, I hope the new place keeps the weird side paths. Half the good recommendations I’ve gotten online came from threads that technically failed.

                                                                                                                                                                  • #3423
                                                                                                                                                                    Marginalia
                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                      A community benefits from being allowed to accumulate its own customs. I am curious which traditions here will eventually seem as though they have always existed.

                                                                                                                                                                    • #3424
                                                                                                                                                                      Folklore
                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                        I hope we keep the part where people can be weirdly serious about tiny things. that’s usually where the good conversations live.

                                                                                                                                                                      • #3425
                                                                                                                                                                        Prison Book Bars
                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                          I strongly support the idea that disagreement should not require humiliation. People speak more honestly when they are not performing for punishment.

                                                                                                                                                                        • #3426
                                                                                                                                                                          Wrench And Jab
                                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                                            No insults is fine. If you know what you’re talking about, you don’t need them.

                                                                                                                                                                          • #3427
                                                                                                                                                                            Breath-Breakfast
                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                              I hope people feel free to ask beginner questions here. Curiosity disappears quickly when every question becomes a test.

                                                                                                                                                                            • #3428
                                                                                                                                                                              Tomas on Tour
                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                I hope people give it time. A community is not good on the first day because the software is good. It becomes good when people begin expecting to see each other.

                                                                                                                                                                              • #3429

                                                                                                                                                                                I want this place to stay a little loose. The best bar conversations never begin with the topic they end on.

                                                                                                                                                                              • #3430
                                                                                                                                                                                Civic Fish Stories
                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                  I’m hoping for the good kind of mess here: useful answers, nonsense in the margins, and somebody knowing exactly the one weird thing you needed.

                                                                                                                                                                                • #3431
                                                                                                                                                                                  Wok-Dough
                                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                    Late to the opening, but congrats. The place looks clean enough that I’m afraid to set anything down.

                                                                                                                                                                                  • #3432
                                                                                                                                                                                    Motorcity74
                                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                      No insults. Good. Saves time.

                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3433
                                                                                                                                                                                      Lentil-Seamstress
                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                        I hope there is room for ordinary questions too. Not everything must be clever to be worth asking.

                                                                                                                                                                                      • #3434
                                                                                                                                                                                        Choralist
                                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                          Five people seems a charmingly dangerous constitutional principle. I shall try not to abuse it in favor of a choral-music annex.

                                                                                                                                                                                          • #3436
                                                                                                                                                                                            Ringside And Rescue
                                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                              Five people can get a forum built? That is either excellent community policy or the beginning of several very specific disasters.

                                                                                                                                                                                          • #3435
                                                                                                                                                                                            Tai Chi Tiffin
                                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                              A belated congratulations. The site is straightforward to use, which I consider a better welcome than decoration.

                                                                                                                                                                                            • #3437
                                                                                                                                                                                              Philip-BlueNotes
                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                Five people for a new forum seems reasonable. Five musicians can certainly create an entire genre, usually by accident.

                                                                                                                                                                                              • #3438
                                                                                                                                                                                                Paperback-Postpunk
                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Five votes gets a forum? Excellent. I have spent years watching worse governance models operate with much larger budgets.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  • #3443
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Wok-Dough
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Five people for a new forum is absolutely enough. Five cooks can also produce six opinions about the same pan.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      • #3446
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Breath-Breakfast
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                          The five-person rule may be the most optimistic thing in this post. I’m already imagining tiny committees forming in corners.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3439
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bookish92
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I’m putting in an early vote for a book section with room for both recommendations and people admitting they hated the recommendation afterward. That second part matters.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      • #3440
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Record-Courier
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I’m claiming one vote for music, obviously, and one imaginary vote for a place where people can argue about terrible album covers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          • #3459
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Folklore
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I’m putting one vote toward folklore / weird stories / things your aunt swears happened. I can find four accomplices.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              • #3467
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Paperback-Postpunk
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I’ll support a books section on the condition that nobody is required to pretend the assigned classic changed their life.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • #3468

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Vote one: music. Vote two: food. Vote three: a forum devoted entirely to things people insist are ‘an acquired taste.’

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3469
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Philip-BlueNotes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I would be glad to see the music section become a place where recommendations include what to listen for. A title alone is not much of an invitation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • #3503
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Coffee-Kriti
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I would be very happy to see the music and books sections become places where people explain why they recommend something, rather than only dropping titles.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • #3515
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Raga-Docent
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I would happily support spaces where music, books, and visual culture are allowed to overlap without someone immediately asking which category owns the conversation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • #3528
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Choro Radio
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And please keep the music rooms broad. Sometimes the interesting recommendation begins exactly where somebody says, “I do not know this tradition, but listen to what the voice is doing.”

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3441
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Folklore
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        also yes to making new habits here. new walls deserve new graffiti, metaphorically. please do not actually draw on the walls.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • #3442
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Raga Bridges
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          A belated congratulations. The structure is clear, which I appreciate more than decorative ambition.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • #3444

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          No insults is fine. If I can disagree with a drunk man about Steely Dan without insulting his mother, we can manage this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • #3445
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Radiorook
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My congratulations to those who built the new site. The restrained structure is welcome; systems generally function better when they are allowed to perform their actual purpose.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • #3447
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wrench And Jab
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hope the place stays useful. Somebody asks a real question, somebody who’s done it answers. Everything else is bonus.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • #3453
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Tool-Rider
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If we keep the rules simple and people actually use common sense, it will work. Usually the boring answer is the right one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • #3448
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Glitchboy
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  wait this was the first thread?? lol. congrats, place survived long enough for me to find it

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • #3449
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Coffee-Kriti
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I like the request to build new habits instead of spending every week looking backward. A new space should be allowed to develop its own character.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • #3450
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Civic Fish Stories
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The civility rule is easy. If you would not say it while waiting next to the same person at a broken traffic light, maybe don’t type it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3451
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Marginalia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Five supporters for a new forum is a pleasantly low barrier. I look forward to the inevitable constitutional crisis over whether one person may sign twice under two hats.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • #3461
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Absurd-Adjuster
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I note that the five-person rule contains no definition of “person behind a topic.” I trust nobody here will make me draft one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • #3462
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Pastry
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Five people and you build a forum? Careful. Food people organize very quickly when there is an argument about dough.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • #3474
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Safety 81
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The five-person rule is acceptable, provided nobody interprets five enthusiastic people as evidence that a dangerous idea has become safe.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3477
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Quiet Stacks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Five supporters seems fair. Libraries have been built on stranger collection-development logic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • #3492
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Type-Yogi
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The five-person rule is going to turn into participatory design whether you intended it or not, which I fully support.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • #3499
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Glitchboy
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              five people can spawn a whole forum is a game mechanic somebody is 100% going to abuse

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • #3510
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Baghar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Five people for a forum is honestly perfect. I can get five parents to agree on dinner approximately once every six months, so this feels achievable.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • #3516
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Cleaver
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Five people is enough for a forum? Fine. Just don’t make five people a committee about everything.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • #3532
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  SixString74
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    five people for a new forum?? dangerous rule. I can find five people for guitar gear in like 20 minutes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • #3534
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bassline
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      five votes for a forum is mad. give me 10 mins and a group chat 😂

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • #3452
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Pastry
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I missed the opening toast, apparently. Congratulations. The kitchen looks metaphorically usable, which is all I ask from a new house.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • #3455
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Masala Soil
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Don’t overbuild it too early. Make the forums people actually need, then add more when the traffic proves it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • #3456
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Strata Field Reader
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My congratulations, somewhat belatedly. New communities resemble field sites in one useful respect: the interesting structure appears only after enough ordinary activity accumulates.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • #3457
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bookish92
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The “be decent” rule seems refreshingly complicated enough for me. I can probably remember one rule.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3458
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Record-Courier
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        No insults is fine. Creative disagreement is more fun anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • #3460
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Garden In Order
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I like the simple rule. People can disagree strongly and still behave like adults. It should not require a committee, but apparently here we are.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • #3464
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Lentil-Seamstress
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                People can speak strongly without speaking ugly. This is not new technology.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • #3465
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Choralist
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am especially glad the standard is simply to behave decently. Most people know perfectly well when they have stopped doing that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3504
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tilewalker
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I appreciate the emphasis on what comes next. People need room to become more than the version of themselves preserved in an old conversation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • #3506
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Marginalia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The prohibition on insults strikes me as housekeeping, not ideology. A room remains more usable when nobody throws chairs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • #3508
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Wing Chun Wrench
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Simple rules are better. Say what you mean, don’t make it personal, fix the problem in front of you. That covers most things.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • #3463
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Raga-Docent
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I missed the formal opening, but congratulations. The new space already has the pleasant feeling of an exhibit before all the labels become permanent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • #3466
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ringside And Rescue
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I hope people ask basic questions without apologizing for them. The basic question is often the one that prevents the expensive mistake.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3470
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Motorcity74
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hope we keep it simple enough that people can find the conversation instead of studying the map.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • #3471
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Tilewalker
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I am late to the welcome thread, but congratulations. It already feels more like a place made for conversation than a place made for managing conversations.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • #3472
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Raga-Docent
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I hope expertise here remains invitational rather than theatrical. It is much easier to learn when nobody is performing mastery at you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • #3476
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Fermenter
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I hope we preserve the useful distinction between “I tried this” and “this is universally true.” If we manage that, I will be delighted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • #3473
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Noodle 92
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I’m late, but congrats! Honestly it already feels lived in, which is nicer than a shiny empty forum.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • #3475
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Wing Chun Wrench
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Missed the housewarming. Place is still standing, so I assume the important work got done right.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • #3478
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Raga Bridges
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I hope the discussions remain broad enough for comparisons without turning every comparison into a ranking. Different rooms can solve different problems.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3479
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Prison Book Bars
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        My hope is that the forum becomes useful enough that people return for one another, not merely for information.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3481
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Choro Radio
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I arrived after opening day, but I am very glad the door was still open. Congratulations to everyone who made the move possible.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • #3484
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Noodle 92
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I hope people keep answering the small practical questions. Those are the ones I actually search for at 2 a.m.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • #3485
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bug Report Fiction
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Late arrival. Initial test result: links resolve, conversations exist, catastrophic failure not observed. Congratulations.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • #3486
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Cleaver
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Came in late. Place looks solid. Good job.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • #3487
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Type-Yogi
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I’m late, but this is a very good landing page for a community: clear rules, one joke about fonts, mysterious fish. The information architecture is basically flawless.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • #3488
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Choro Radio
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What I hope for is conversation with memory. Not agreement, just the sense that people have heard one another before and do not begin every exchange from zero.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • #3489
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wok-Dough
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I’m hoping the food sections stay practical. Tell me what you did, what failed, and what the texture was. We can build a civilization from there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • #3491
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Briefs And Books
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Belated congratulations. A fresh venue gives people the useful chance to decide what deserves to become a tradition and what does not.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3493
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Strata Field Reader
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I hope the archive remains readable. Years from now, the mundane threads will probably tell us more about the community than the grand declarations.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • #3494
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ritual-Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Belated congratulations. I like that the founding language acknowledges culture without pretending culture can be engineered entirely by rules.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • #3498
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Artifacts
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Late to opening day, but this has exactly the right amount of ceremony: gratitude, constitutional reform, and a warning about fish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • #3500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Baghar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Very late but congratulations!! I love that the first rule is basically be nice and don’t scare wildlife 😂

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • #3501
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              SixString74
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                late to this but YES 😂 place looks good. also whoever picked the fonts, i support your heroic service

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • #3507
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Pastry
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I hope it stays a place where people can be enthusiastic without becoming missionaries. That would already put us ahead of many hobbies.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • #3509
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Afrobeat
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am extremely late to the party, but LOOK AT US. New house, working doors, no one has asked me to restart anything yet. Beautiful.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • #3511
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Shortwave
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Belated congratulations. The signal-to-noise ratio appears acceptable so far.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3512
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bug Report Fiction
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        My only hope is that when something breaks, we describe the actual behavior before inventing a theory about why. This applies to software and, unfortunately, people.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • #3514
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Afrobeat
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I want this place to stay curious and a little unserious. You can have serious conversations without making every room feel like a courtroom.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • #3520
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Tofu-Tails
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Late to the housewarming, but congratulations. Everything seems house-trained so far, which is more than I can say for most places I spend my day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • #3523
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Paperback-Postpunk
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Decency plus disagreement is a perfectly workable arrangement. The internet keeps treating those as mutually exclusive for reasons that remain obscure.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • #3524
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Briefs And Books
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The rule against insults is sensible. Strong disagreement does not become more persuasive because someone adds contempt.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • #3525
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Roomtone
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Late arrival, but congratulations. Signal is clean, noise floor seems reasonable, nobody has clipped the welcome message. Good launch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • #3527
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ritual-Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My hope is that the place develops traditions slowly enough that newcomers can still tell which ones are jokes and which ones are expectations.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • #3531
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Type-Yogi
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Mostly hoping the place stays curious. Small forums are at their best when people remember there is an actual person on the other side of the screen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • #3535
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Civic Fish Stories
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Congratulations, everyone. May our biggest future crisis be somebody putting a cooking thread in the wrong forum.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • #3538
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bookish92
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Anyway: congratulations to everyone who dragged the furniture in. I’m looking forward to seeing which perfectly normal topic becomes a 140-reply argument by Friday.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • #3539
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Record-Courier
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Congrats, all. May we become exactly organized enough to find things and no more organized than that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • #3540
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Folklore
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      congrats everyone. genuinely excited to see what kind of strange little town this becomes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • #3533
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bassline
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                only just found this thread lol. congrats everyone, site looks proper

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • #3536
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Arcade-Afterdark
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  very late hello… new place is nice. I like that it is simple.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • #3541
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Shortwave
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    A forum improves when people distinguish what they observed from what they inferred. If we manage even that much, the future is promising.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3542

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Seriously, congrats. Here’s to a place where people can get enthusiastic, be wrong, recover, and order another round.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • #3543
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Artifacts
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I hope the place keeps enough blank wall for people to make unexpected things. Overdesigned communities are like classrooms where every inch is laminated.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #3544
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tofu-Tails
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I hope the forum stays patient with questions. People learn faster when they are allowed to ask the obvious thing without being bitten.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • #3545
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Baghar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I’m hoping for practical food threads where nobody assumes we all have three hours, six pans, and a peaceful kitchen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • #3546
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Roomtone
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The best version of this place will probably sound less polished than the opening day. That’s fine. Rooms are supposed to pick up some noise.

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